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 Post subject: Cannot stand Ntreev supporters
PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:41 pm 
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They blindly defend a company that doesn't give a crap about them only their money. The examples with numbers by them are about Grand Chase except number 10.

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1. I believe most other servers offer 4 free pets, while here there is only two and one of them you have to collect stars for.

Gon, Pepe, Sidt, and Slime should have been free pets, but nope, on Ngreed's servers pepe and sidt were GAYcha and Gon costs money. Hell you can't even get pepe and sidt anymore.

Not to mention that cash pets that are normally gotten through BUYING them on other versions have to be gotten through GAYcha. Luna, Ninko, Ceberus(I know this was a NA "original" but it can be gotten through the shop on other versions). And Guess what, you can no longer get them here.

2. Armor sets that were GP are cash here. Saint's Black, is GP in ALL OTHER VERSIONS, however on Ngreed GC, its cash. Now Ngreed supporters will say "But you got generals armor which is cash in other versions". Generals doesn't have weapons to it, which means GPers are STUCK with level 55 weapons unless they whore themselves out to Ngreed and buy cash weapons.

A level 55 weapon at level 65, hmm unbalanced much?

3. GAYcha in general. Not Seal breaker, Ngreed's first GAYcha, the coin one.

4. Ngreed claims they don't have the FREE seal breaker however I don't believe that for a second.

5. Some cash sets over on other versions aren't here. Such as, Starkiln, Gaikoz and Ceberus(This was in GAYcha), ect.. Wonder why Ngreed is holding on them.

6. Its inevitable that the boss pets will be GAYcha here. There is no chance in hell that Ngreed will make these pets free. They will either be GAYcha or cash shop.

While in other versions they gotten through dungeon runs. Ngreed couldn't have their precious mind-less drones that pay them money do something as tedious as running a dungeon.

7. I have only seen this a few times but some Ngreed supports claim that "Gameguard is the best anti-hack Ntreev can afford and it doesn't cause any problems".

Really? Ngreed probably makes more money than 95% of their player base combined. They have the money but its more than likely a contract thingy but still they can ask to be changed, but that'd cost money, which Ngreed doesn't seem to like to use for anything but lining their pockets or buying figures to put on their desks(There was a topic about this on the official trickster forums).

Also it doesn't cause problems? Gameguard is essicially a rootkit which injects itself into your computer and even if you remove every game that has gameguard it will still be on your computer and can only be removed via reformat or registery editing. Not to mention, it is the most easily by-passed "anti" hacking thing I have ever seen. Also it is the laggiest.

8. Many claim they have no problems with Ngreed's servers. That's a bull crapping lie. Ever since the Jin patch(which I will get to) the servers basically seem like someone picked them up for $20 at walmart. I cannot even connect to my NEIGHBOR without lagging. Which makes ZERO sense.

9. The Jin patch or in other words the day the floodgates were opened and the SEA plague was let in. These people do nothing but lag and cause problems. I haven't met a single decent SEA person. Most are rude and claim they don't lag when they are freezing around the stage and most of them are oblivious to the fact they should not host.

Notice how Ngreed didn't let us know that the SEA plague was being unleashed on the servers, which means A. They didn't want the community to know and just to find out for themselves, B. They were paided to let them in or C. They enjoy seeing hateful comments and people insult them.

And finally

10. NGreed's treatment of their other games. Trickster went from a game where it was enjoyable to play and there were no myhax, GAYcha, lolboxes ,ect. To a game where if you don't cash you FAIL.

Grand chase, I just talked about.

Pangya, So over-run with hackers, rule breakers and idiots its surprising legit players still play. And notice, they do nothing to remedy the situation. They "investigate" extremely obvious hackers and apparently have been "investigating" a hacker I have reported multiple times that is extremely obvious.

Pangya, also has a disease, it has the brazilian plague. I have met some decent brazilians however. They seem to be less than 1% of the brazilians that play. Brazilians make up I don't know I'd say 75% of the population however they also commit 95% of the rule breaking, idioticy and hacking.

And Ngreed says they won't IP ban them. I see Pangya has a sinking ship that is about to go under due to corruption from the host company.


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Why blame Ntreev, when it is KoG decisions? Keep in mind that Ntreev have to follow what KoG says or else they lose their contract.

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Seriously doubt KOG told Ntreev to do all this. KOG wouldn't be as stupid as basically telling Ntreev to kill their game.

Also, you're a official forum mod, of course your going to butt kiss your way to the top. So anything you say means nothing.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:11 pm 
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Seriously doubt KOG told Ntreev to do all this. KOG wouldn't be as stupid as basically telling Ntreev to kill their game.

Also, you're a official forum mod, of course your going to butt kiss your way to the top. So anything you say means nothing.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:57 pm 
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Considering it's f2p, you can't complain, seeing as you don't HAVE to spend money.

It's like being handed a food sample, and complaining about it. Sure you can, but it was free after all. Just don't eat it.


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It is free yes, however the right to FREE SPEECH gives me the right to complain about a SERVICE a COMPANY is providing.

While it may be "free" to play, techincally you can spend more on it than you do on bills and groceries per month.

Ntreev wants to silence its critics by any means, because they don't want their OBVIOUS CORRUPTION to be known.

The Ntreev supporters sit by while Ntreev pushes their corrupt agenda. If you need another example, compare it to the current US government.

Obama and his administration are Ntreev and the liberals are Ntreev Supporters. The liberals constantly turn a blind eye to Obama and his administration even if they know what they are doing is wrong.

Kinda reminds you of Ntreev supporters now don't it?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:52 pm 
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Rexi wrote:
It is free yes, however the right to FREE SPEECH gives me the right to complain about a SERVICE a COMPANY is providing.

While it may be "free" to play, techincally you can spend more on it than you do on bills and groceries per month.

Ntreev wants to silence its critics by any means, because they don't want their OBVIOUS CORRUPTION to be known.

The Ntreev supporters sit by while Ntreev pushes their corrupt agenda. If you need another example, compare it to the current US government.

Obama and his administration are Ntreev and the liberals are Ntreev Supporters. The liberals constantly turn a blind eye to Obama and his administration even if they know what they are doing is wrong.

Kinda reminds you of Ntreev supporters now don't it?

I like Rexi, may I introduce you to another company by the name, Softnyx

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:54 am 
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Rexi wrote:
It is free yes, however the right to FREE SPEECH gives me the right to complain about a SERVICE a COMPANY is providing.

While it may be "free" to play, techincally you can spend more on it than you do on bills and groceries per month.

Ntreev wants to silence its critics by any means, because they don't want their OBVIOUS CORRUPTION to be known.

The Ntreev supporters sit by while Ntreev pushes their corrupt agenda. If you need another example, compare it to the current US government.

Obama and his administration are Ntreev and the liberals are Ntreev Supporters. The liberals constantly turn a blind eye to Obama and his administration even if they know what they are doing is wrong.

Kinda reminds you of Ntreev supporters now don't it?
That is a terrible example, considering Ntreev doesn't have power over you. You aren't forced to use their services, ever heard of unistalling and finding a new game?


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Kowiz wrote:
Free to play, Pay to win.


Pretty damn sad its like this for all of their games.

Love the games, hate the company is also another that fits.


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Free to play, Pay to win.


Pay to play, pay again to keep playing. :D


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Guest wrote:
Kowiz wrote:
Free to play, Pay to win.


Pay to play, pay again to keep playing. :D



Statistically you spend more on a "free" game than you ever would on a pay to play. That is you are one of them mindless drones who give money to free games.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:10 am 
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1. I believe most other servers offer 4 free pets, while here there is only two and one of them you have to collect stars for.

Gon, Pepe, Sidt, and Slime should have been free pets, but nope, on Ngreed's servers pepe and sidt were GAYcha and Gon costs money. Hell you can't even get pepe and sidt anymore.

Not to mention that cash pets that are normally gotten through BUYING them on other versions have to be gotten through GAYcha. Luna, Ninko, Ceberus(I know this was a NA "original" but it can be gotten through the shop on other versions). And Guess what, you can no longer get them here.

2. Armor sets that were GP are cash here. Saint's Black, is GP in ALL OTHER VERSIONS, however on Ngreed GC, its cash. Now Ngreed supporters will say "But you got generals armor which is cash in other versions". Generals doesn't have weapons to it, which means GPers are STUCK with level 55 weapons unless they whore themselves out to Ngreed and buy cash weapons.

A level 55 weapon at level 65, hmm unbalanced much?

3. GAYcha in general. Not Seal breaker, Ngreed's first GAYcha, the coin one.

4. Ngreed claims they don't have the FREE seal breaker however I don't believe that for a second.

5. Some cash sets over on other versions aren't here. Such as, Starkiln, Gaikoz and Ceberus(This was in GAYcha), ect.. Wonder why Ngreed is holding on them.

6. Its inevitable that the boss pets will be GAYcha here. There is no chance in hell that Ngreed will make these pets free. They will either be GAYcha or cash shop.

While in other versions they gotten through dungeon runs. Ngreed couldn't have their precious mind-less drones that pay them money do something as tedious as running a dungeon.

7. I have only seen this a few times but some Ngreed supports claim that "Gameguard is the best anti-hack Ntreev can afford and it doesn't cause any problems".

Really? Ngreed probably makes more money than 95% of their player base combined. They have the money but its more than likely a contract thingy but still they can ask to be changed, but that'd cost money, which Ngreed doesn't seem to like to use for anything but lining their pockets or buying figures to put on their desks(There was a topic about this on the official trickster forums).

Also it doesn't cause problems? Gameguard is essicially a rootkit which injects itself into your computer and even if you remove every game that has gameguard it will still be on your computer and can only be removed via reformat or registery editing. Not to mention, it is the most easily by-passed "anti" hacking thing I have ever seen. Also it is the laggiest.

8. Many claim they have no problems with Ngreed's servers. That's a bull crapping lie. Ever since the Jin patch(which I will get to) the servers basically seem like someone picked them up for $20 at walmart. I cannot even connect to my NEIGHBOR without lagging. Which makes ZERO sense.

9. The Jin patch or in other words the day the floodgates were opened and the SEA plague was let in. These people do nothing but lag and cause problems. I haven't met a single decent SEA person. Most are rude and claim they don't lag when they are freezing around the stage and most of them are oblivious to the fact they should not host.

Notice how Ngreed didn't let us know that the SEA plague was being unleashed on the servers, which means A. They didn't want the community to know and just to find out for themselves, B. They were paided to let them in or C. They enjoy seeing hateful comments and people insult them.

And finally

10. NGreed's treatment of their other games. Trickster went from a game where it was enjoyable to play and there were no myhax, GAYcha, lolboxes ,ect. To a game where if you don't cash you FAIL.

Grand chase, I just talked about.

Pangya, So over-run with hackers, rule breakers and idiots its surprising legit players still play. And notice, they do nothing to remedy the situation. They "investigate" extremely obvious hackers and apparently have been "investigating" a hacker I have reported multiple times that is extremely obvious.

Pangya, also has a disease, it has the brazilian plague. I have met some decent brazilians however. They seem to be less than 1% of the brazilians that play. Brazilians make up I don't know I'd say 75% of the population however they also commit 95% of the rule breaking, idioticy and hacking.

And Ngreed says they won't IP ban them. I see Pangya has a sinking ship that is about to go under due to corruption from the host company.



1: Technically 5/9 pets in the other servers. Myurin is obtained via the Amy quest there, and the 4 Jr boss pets. Those 4 however can probably be taken off due to the hardwork it takes for them. Havok/Cerberus/Kurby/w/e other name he has is obtainable through Seal Breaker in other versions though.

2: For the weapons thing, its also depending on your job class. Some classes don't have weapons beyond 40 *coughXenocider!cough*. Main reason why they are the way they are, from what Loki once said, is that people wouldn't pay for looks, they'd pay for the stats. Some people have actually bought sets for looks though. And yeah, the armor sets need a massive rearrangement.

3: Can't blame you there. I hated it myself and rarely ever bought coins. Only time I did was during the Black Friday sale. Every other time was with free coins. Only good thing about it was my luck, cause I got 2 Ninkos, a Sidt, and a Luna.

4: I am definitely agreeing with you here, though I'm also disagreeing. My guess is cause they didn't get the Elena Armor, or whatever other armor they may get to use with it.

5: We're missing a lot of things sadly. I doubt Ntreev will add them in anytime soon. Some of the stuff would get them more money too *coughLassandRyanshellandslimehatcough*

6: Honestly, I can see this coming from Ntreev. And I know for a fact people will cash it.

7: I think KoG decided that GameGuard would be the best for this game and forces all versions to use it, as its used even on KGC and TWGC. BGC and PHGC most likely use it as well I'm sure.

However, if Ntreev is using GameGuard as a rootkit to infiltrate computers, then its really stupid of them, cause that's illegal. Why GameGuard is actually detected as a virus sometimes(Themida), its mainly dependent on the use of the program that has it. Since its used as a Game Protection Program, it wouldn't look bad. However, it can be used to obtain personal information.

8: I ranted on how bad their servers were. Thread got closed down I think. Loki basically tried defending Ntreev, yet he could NEVER answer my questions which I asked multiple times.

For those who don't know, I blame Ntreev's lack of server upgrades/maintenance on the reason why I couldn't really participate in a tourney. The tourney was the 2v2v2 one. My partner was Impulsion, and before the tourney, we practiced on Gorgos while he was host. I had no problems. We had the first match. I went to Gardosen, went in, he was host, and what happens? I'm lagging uncontrollably, lagging so bad that if I grabbed someone, it wouldn't happen till like 1 minute later. Not only to the other 4 players, but Impulsion as well. We had to redo that match because we won. It happened again. We moved on cause Impulsion got us the win, without me being able to do anything. Inbetween this and our 2nd match, I restarted my computer just in case.

2nd match, SAME THING HAPPENED. I was asked to leave and come back when the match was over. I did, we lost NO REMATCH. Ntreev basically screwed us out of the tourney, cause guess what? After that, we went to Gorgos, did a quick match, and there was NO LAG. Problems occurred when SEA players came in, Jin was released, and Gardosen was placed. Ntreev is denying it and says its the players' fault. -.- Take some damn responsibility Ntreev.

In my thread, I asked how I could play on not 1, but 2 oversea servers with NO lag problems. My internet isn't even that good either, but I can play with Koreans without problems? Sounds like Ntreev doesn't understand.

Whoops...rambled there...moving on...

9: I didn't mind SEA coming in, however Ntreev should of at least told us. They told us about the Philippines getting their own version and having to IP Ban them, but can't tell us SEA players are gonna have their region unlocked? Nice one...

10: I never played the other games. Friends tried to get me into them, but no. They suck...I'm sorry but they do.

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Wow you actually answered his text wall with another text wall LULZ


Maybe because some people aren't trolls and post random nonsensical messages that are spam?

Because some people aren't like you basically.


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Thought you were a virgin.

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Kinda agree with some of your points, comments added in this color:

Rexi wrote:
1. I believe most other servers offer 4 free pets... actually you buy them with Points


2. Armor sets that were GP are cash here... just some cases .. at least, as I have check by myself on the BCG vs NAGC, dunno the others servers

3. GAYcha in general. Not Seal breaker, Ngreed's first GAYcha, the coin one. lulz, I just see the gatcha on NAGC =/

4. Ngreed claims they don't have the FREE seal breaker ... yeah, i have my doubts too...

5. Some cash sets over on other versions aren't here. Such as, Starkiln, Gaikoz and Ceberus(This was in GAYcha), ect.. Wonder why Ngreed is holding on them. Wanna know too ...

6. Its inevitable that the boss pets will be GAYcha here. There is no chance in hell that Ngreed will make these pets free. They will either be GAYcha or cash shop...
At least Gaikoz Jr. its with somekind of mission, you need to collecta book an later collect another stuffs... nothing its 100% Free, but yes, no cash needed


7. I have only seen this a few times but some Ngreed supports claim that "Gameguard is the best anti-hack Ntreev can afford and it doesn't cause any problems".

Actually, yes ... its one of the "better" options, cuz HackShield, for example, its easiest by-passed =/ as a person who used to hack [in other games] told me. And Nteev used it because is the same used in others versions, at least BGc use it also .. and its used by several others games, so, so many people can be wrong at the same time. Of course the GG isn't perfect, has a lot of problems ... and claims in others games. There is no 100% anti-hack program, as the same time there is no 100% anti virus programs...


8. Many claim they have no problems with Ngreed's servers. the last time a played, yes, ocasionally i have some lag .. specially on the over-flowed Gorgos, np for me on Gaikoz not Gardosen ... since the last time I logged on game <_<

9. The Jin patch or in other words the day the floodgates were opened and the SEA plague was let in.
.. isn't needed to insult people, you could have your problems with some SEA palyers, but in the other hand I've met SEA players also and they are nice, and doest lagg so much with me =/. Sorry, but the problem should be something else .. BTW, Im NOT fm USA, I'm fm SouthAmerica [i HATE the word "latino" looks like a lable and i hate labes... ]


10. NGreed's treatment of their other games.
Dunno their behaviour in other games, after my issue with Ntreev I really doesn't like to play anyother game they're hosting ... I'll explain it next ...


You could add also their stupid behavior with their customers. My account its blocked since the release of Jin's Second Job, and has been a pain in he butt to getting back - at least, I've AGAIN access to Ntrev-forms, but stils I'm figthing for my account back to the game. All the non-sense and stupids reason that they gave to me has made me hate them ...

1st. They said that my account "was recieven money/item fr other account" O_o?!! Amazing excuse fm a game who doesn't have trade system. As a good friend told me, this is the "excuse" when you have played a dungeon with a hacker or something like that... funny cuz i meet somebody on game who said "I hav hack" and kiked him fm my host-room on pvp ... I couldn't report him cuz actually i jut had his word.

2nd. Well, after severals mails, I had a second response of why my account its blocked: now they said that my account was sold/traded =,= .. funny, cuz the only one with acces ITS ME... I have many IP's cuz I had problems with my pc at the begenning of the year, and I played fm a cousin's home, also we used to play on LAN fm his home: I carried my CPU over there and we played together fm there :3 ... of course, for the idiots of Ntreev this looks like I trade my account ... I explained this, btw...

So, as you can see, still i have no real reason of why I've been blocked [2 non-sensed diffrents reasons ] ... and I'm my account has not been fully restored, and have some money represed there, cuz I recharged 3 days before the patch for Jin's 2nd Job, and I was waiting to check what will be released before buy anything.

I love the game, but I was so anger at Ntreev to create a new 3rd account to play [I create a 2nd one to ask in forum for my problem, but some idiot reported me and it was blocked too <_<] that I prefered to start over in a new server.. so I choose BGC - and I saw the game with other eyes ... thats makes me rant more against Ntreev xD


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I guess buying cash or GP also has to do with skill, what I mean is, if your already a good player that can beat many people out there, whats the point of cashing, Ntreev just wants the money and they bribe players with better items more and more until some players are just like "HOLY F**KING S**T I WANT THAT AWSOME ITEM!" it ticks me off, why pay real money for stuff that you can already get along fine with.

Again, all depends on if your already a good player, or if u just want to spend cash to make your stats so high that its just harder to kill you, Im not against cashers. I buy myself a cash card like every 2 or 3 months. XD

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